There’s A Rebuttal For That – Complaint #35 – Final

This is our final rebuttal.  I hope you gained something from this series, and have a better appreciation for the movie.  If not, well, to each their own.  We enjoyed going over each complaint and while I can admit it wasn’t a perfect movie, I don’t believe it deserved the tirade it received from its so-called fans who were obviously disappointed in it in one way or another.  Regardless of how you felt about it, we hope you’re looking forward to Catching Fire in 2013!  Until then, keep calm and keep reading.


Complaint #35 – Gale is cuter than Peeta in the movie… I wished they had found someone as attractive for Peeta’s role. In the book, I was rooting for Peeta ( I envisioned him as someone more charming and taller), but in the movie, Gale took my heart.

TFGeekGirl, TheFandom.Net – That was YOUR vision.  Gary and crew were trying to find someone who could actually be Peeta, not someone who is cuter than Gale (and some may even argue that Josh is cuter than Liam).  Josh IS Peeta.  Besides, if you were rooting for Peeta in the book just because you imagined him cuter than Gale, then I think you may want to sort out your priorities on what makes a loveable character.

Kait, VictorsVillage.com – Peeta isn’t all that attractive, you say? What the hell have YOU been smoking?

Adam, TheFandom.Net – Caesar Flickerman certainly thought Peeta was handsome, and even as a guy, I can tell that he is. Besides — Peeta is never made out to be a heartthrob. He’s a good-looking guy in the “baker next door” sense. And Gale may very well be better-looking. That’s fine. Collins makes a point of stressing how girls like him. Peeta has other qualities.

Tanvi, Hunger Games Network – Love, Gale IS supposed to be hotter. Girls swooning over him and all that. He is the charmer in District 12, and it is clearly mentioned.
Also, please find something more out of this trilogy.

Savanna, HG Fireside Chat – Well, first of all, beauty is most definitely in the eye of the beholder, and I know plenty of girls (and guys) who would disagree with you and say that they prefer Josh Hutcherson to Liam Hemsworth. I happen to think Josh is adorable! But all that aside, isn’t Gale SUPPOSED to be cuter than Peeta? Katniss mentions that lots of girls are interested in him and it’s implied that he’s very attractive. Peeta, on the other hand, is never described as tall or handsome in the books. Katniss mentions that he has a “stocky” build, but that’s pretty much it.

Luly – I think that both the books and the movie would have preferred you to care about their thoughts and personalities rather than their looks, because these books and movie are more about ideas than aesthetics. But if you are going to prefer Gale (because of Liam’s looks) rather than Peeta (because of Josh’s looks), that is up to you and not a movie problem; just like if you preferred Peeta in the books because of how you pictured his looks, it’s up to you and nothing that Suzanne Collins wanted you to think.

 

To see our previous complaints, go to our Rebuttal Page

We will be posting a new complaint and our argument against it each day until all 35 complaints have been posted.  We hope that if you didn’t like the movie for any of the issues we have coming within this next month, you will continue to hear us out and at least take into consideration our reasoning/rebuttal about it. Logical comments are welcome!  All others are invalid.

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There’s A Rebuttal For That – Complaint #34

Did Seneca Crane die too soon?


Complaint #34 – I can’t believe they put in the death of Seneca! THAT IS A SECOND BOOK EVENT!

TFGeekGirl, TheFandom.Net – Not so.  Crane’s death happened sometime between the first and second book.  Obviously, it happened right after Katniss & Peeta’s victory.  Makes sense.  For the film to be a standalone, this was the perfect place to put it.

Jessi, TheFandom.Net – Another beautiful added scene!  I always assumed, actually, that this is about when Seneca was killed.  It’s just after the games, I don’t know why President Snow would keep him alive once he realizes he wants him dead.  We don’t find out about it until the second book because of our limitations of only knowing what Katniss knows. This was such a clever addition to the film, even if it isn’t accurate I don’t care!

Aldrin, Down With The Capitol – Just because the execution of Seneca Crane was mentioned in the second book doesn’t mean that’s when it happened. That’s merely when Katniss found out about it. As mentioned, it would make more sense to execute Seneca promptly after the end of the 74th Games, to send a message that he shouldn’t have let Katniss and Peeta upstage The Capitol the way they did. It was actually a perfect conclusion to the additional scenes between Seneca and Snow.

Tanvi, Hunger Games Network – How do you KNOW it was a second book event? Second book is when Katniss hears of it. For all we know, Seneca Crane might have been executed the very second Games promotion wrapped up. I cannot emphasize enough on how brilliant this part of the movie was.

Savanna, HG Fireside Chat – I could spend days gushing about this scene. It was absolutely brilliant! But aside from just being generally incredible, its inclusion was also a very STRATEGIC choice on the part of Gary Ross/whoever came up with the idea. Since many people watching the movie will NOT have read the books, they needed to make sure that the film ended in a suspenseful, intriguing way that would lead into Catching Fire. This scene shows us — the audience — that Snow is pissed. That his threats aren’t meaningless. That even though the Games are over and Katniss and Peeta are Victors, they’re not actually safe. No one is.

Luly – First of all, the news of his death are known in the 2nd book, it doesn’t necessarily happen in the 2nd book. Second of all, the fact that they included that scene worked in different levels: it allowed you to see how cruel the Capitol is, how President Snow works and how dangerous it is for those who don’t do as he says. That little scene there on its own pictured Snow’s personality completely and the way that the Capitol behaves, not to mention the way in which they manage what whoever didn’t do as they expected. Being included in the first movie also shows it as a “conclusion” of the 74th Games, you understand that something like that wasn’t supposed to happen and it’s a total anomaly, that what Katniss and Peeta did was something as important as to kill who was unable to stop them. You need that idea for the end of the first movie.

To see our previous complaints, go to our Rebuttal Page

We will be posting a new complaint and our argument against it each day until all 36 complaints have been posted.  We hope that if you didn’t like the movie for any of the issues we have coming within this next month, you will continue to hear us out and at least take into consideration our reasoning/rebuttal about it. Logical comments are welcome!  All others are invalid.

There’s A Rebuttal For That – Complaint #33

Haymitch should’ve been drunker-er-err?


Complaint #33 – Haymitch wasn’t drunk enough and was way too helpful ….That is definitely a far sway from the books.

Kait, TheFandom.Net & VictorsVillage.com– False! Haymitch was plenty drunk. He’s simply a high-functioning alcoholic, which allows him to navigate through life on a day-to-day basis in a semi-constant state of drunkenness. He’s described this way in the book as well. Though it is not seen in the books, Haymitch is the District 12 mentor and that fact that he schmoozes with Capitol citizens and strategizes the keep his tributes alive is discussed often. How else are Katniss and Peeta getting gifts and sponsors when that all goes through Haymitch? The only difference is that we actually get to see it in the movie!

Savanna, HG Fireside Chat – I went into the movie worried that Haymitch wouldn’t be drunk enough, since Woody Harrelson had implied in a couple of interviews that he’d be “playing down” the drunk aspect of the character. I was pleasantly surprised, however, at Haymitch’s level of drunkenness throughout the film. His fondness for alcohol was apparent, especially on the train. I don’t think they could have made him any drunker without also turning him into something of a caricature. Remember, this movie was also made for people who haven’t read the books, and these non-book readers need to understand that Haymitch isn’t just an oblivious lush.

Courtney, WelcomeToDistrict12.com – Way too helpful? I think as readers of the books, we can agree that in the arena Haymitch does more than just be helpful to Katniss. I would also like to draw attention to Haymitch’s best moment in the film, in which you see the pain reflected on Haymitch’s face when Katniss is in excruciating pain from the burn on her leg. I honestly did not think we would see this from Haymitch until Catching Fire at least. That is Haymitch’s true character.

Tanvi, Hunger Games Network – Haymitch was awesome! And we never see him outside of Katniss’s point of view, we don’t know how helpful he might be in his sober moments. But guess what? We do know. All the help Katniss gets was from Haymitch, and I assume he was sober enough.

 

To see our previous complaints, go to our Rebuttal Page

We will be posting a new complaint and our argument against it each day until all 36 complaints have been posted.  We hope that if you didn’t like the movie for any of the issues we have coming within this next month, you will continue to hear us out and at least take into consideration our reasoning/rebuttal about it. Logical comments are welcome!  All others are invalid.

There’s A Rebuttal For That – Complaint #32

Lamb stew!

Complaint #32 – There was no talk of Katniss’ love for the dried plum & lamb stew

TFGeekGirl, TheFandom.Net – Ah, the lamb stew.  There are many minor details that Suzanne Collins wrote about, this is one of them.  For the sake of focusing on the major parts, this had to be tossed.

Savanna, HG Fireside Chat – I’ll admit that I was a little sad that the lamb stew didn’t get a mention, but they HAD to cut out some minor details…and unfortunately, the lamb stew isn’t a crucial component of the overall plot. There are so many scenes of them eating in the movie — just pretend that in one of them Katniss is chowing down on the stew!

Tanvi, Hunger Games Network – This actually doesn’t even look like a legit issue. How is Katniss’ love for the dried plum and lamb stew effective in the entire plot? Little things about a person that don’t necessarily ‘define’ that person – could be ignored and no harm done.

 

To see our previous complaints, go to our Rebuttal Page

We will be posting a new complaint and our argument against it each day until all 36 complaints have been posted.  We hope that if you didn’t like the movie for any of the issues we have coming within this next month, you will continue to hear us out and at least take into consideration our reasoning/rebuttal about it. Logical comments are welcome!  All others are invalid.

There’s A Rebuttal For That – Complaint #31

Where’s my upset Peeta?


Complaint #31 – They should have kept when Peeta gets upset when he finds out that Katniss kissing him was all for the Games.

TFGeekGirl, TheFandom.Net – I don’t know if I can say they should have kept that part in the book, and if that would have made a difference for Catching Fire.  I’m thinking it won’t make a difference for the sequel, because you can definitely tell that he knows Katniss didn’t really feel the same way for him as he did for her, especially when they’re holding hands in victory at the end in District 12.  It’s subtle, but it’s enough to let us know he’s trying to hide his hurt.  That’s the thing about movies and acting, you want to rely on your actors to portray what is felt in the character, and I think Josh did fine with that, so it worked.

Aldrin, DownWithTheCapitol – The Hunger Games is a movie that can show and not tell. I didn’t notice at first, but Peeta’s eyes when he sees Katniss spot Gale in the District 12 crowd at the end shows that Peeta is starting to put the puzzle pieces together and figure out that perhaps their love was just for the Games. Not to mention the previous scene on the train ride home shows how different Katniss and Peeta feel about the Games when Katniss is eager to forget about what happened, but Peeta doesn’t want to.

Courtney, WelcomeToDistrict12.com – Gary Ross does not take the audience for a fool. Peeta’s line, “I don’t want to forget” speaks volumes about Katniss’ conflicting emotions combined with the last scene with Katniss catching Gale’s eye and holding Peeta’s hand.

Tanvi, Hunger Games Network – Gale’s appearance at the end, and how detached Katniss is to Peeta in the train was more than a subtle hint. It’s a movie, and non fans need to also know we’re coming out with a second movie.

 

To see our previous complaints, go to our Rebuttal Page

We will be posting a new complaint and our argument against it each day until all 36 complaints have been posted.  We hope that if you didn’t like the movie for any of the issues we have coming within this next month, you will continue to hear us out and at least take into consideration our reasoning/rebuttal about it. Logical comments are welcome!  All others are invalid.

There’s A Rebuttal For That – Complaint #30

Are you missing the point?


Complaint #30 – I think they should have kept the moment in the book where Peeta and Katniss argued about her going to get the medicine and then they kissed! That would have got them a nomination for best kiss I think!

Kait, TheFandom.Net – They DID keep that moment. It definitely happened. Either way, an MTV award for Best Kiss is not the main goal of the film.

Luly – I think the movie knew where to put the focus in this story. With the limited time they had, more limited than the book, they had to choose which ideas to develop more and which to keep in a second place. The focus of this story was in the situation of Panem and the people in it rather than who kisses who. Besides, I think that the development of the wrong idea and the misplaced focus would have been precisely in a movie whose main goal is an MTV award. For best kiss, no less. I prefer a good movie, thank you very much.

Tanvi, Hunger Games Network – They kissed enough. Moments between Katniss and Peeta are definitely important seeing how it all ultimately ends, but dragging out the cave scene in the movie would have actually gotten boring, trust me.

 

To see our previous complaints, go to our Rebuttal Page

We will be posting a new complaint and our argument against it each day until all 36 complaints have been posted.  We hope that if you didn’t like the movie for any of the issues we have coming within this next month, you will continue to hear us out and at least take into consideration our reasoning/rebuttal about it. Logical comments are welcome!  All others are invalid.

There’s A Rebuttal For That – Complaint #29

Well, of course she knew her way around a forest!


Complaint #29 – Her knowledge of the forest was barely implied.

TFGeekGirl, TheFandom.Net – Her knowledge of the forest is implied when they first show her hunting in the woods and throughout her time in the arena.  This was not “barely.”

Aldrin, Down With The Capitol – In the opening hunting scene, Katniss got the deer to move by launching a rock with her bow. She used crumpled up leaves to see which way the wind was blowing. She walked on a log with ease without falling. None of that stuff I would be able to do, which showed me that she knew way more about the forest than most people would!

Luly – You can see how well she knows the forest in the hunting scenes she did on her own and with Gale, in the way Gale mentions that they could run away and survive out there, in those moments in which she was alone in the arena or taking care of either Rue or Peeta, in the fact that she instantly knew about the berries being poison, in how she looks at the forest scene she sets when she’s about to go to sleep in the Capitol, in the way she moved through the forest, to hunt and to hide, in the way she knew where was the safest place to hide from the careers, in the fact that the careers couldn’t catch her in the forest…and I can go on. There are so many implications of how well she knew the forest.

Savanna, HGFiresideChat – Actually, I think her knowledge of the forest was totally obvious. Think back to the beginning of the film, when Katniss goes hunting in the woods. We get to watch her track that deer every step of the way, and it’s clear that she knows what she’s doing. Also, in the arena, we see how Katniss uses the earth to lead her to water. AND, she immediately recognizes the berries as nightlock.

Tanvi, Hunger Games Network – The entire sequence of the movie exactly implies that. Then, at the Capitol, when Katniss sees the image of the forest, I thought it was a perfect set up. Not sure what else they could have added, this did the job.

To see our previous complaints, go to our Rebuttal Page

We will be posting a new complaint and our argument against it each day until all 36 complaints have been posted.  We hope that if you didn’t like the movie for any of the issues we have coming within this next month, you will continue to hear us out and at least take into consideration our reasoning/rebuttal about it. Logical comments are welcome!  All others are invalid.